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Old 10-06-2008, 03:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What happened to this RAAF lad?

We know when he died. Does anyone know where he was or should have been when he was killed. Posting at death was given as 75sq RAF.

He was the only RAAF death listed in the European theatre for that date.

Those on the 4th all have a grave.

He is listed on Runnymede. Any more info?

I was looking at a grave photo from Overijssel General Cemetery in Belgium where:


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an unknown airman of the 39-45 war RAAF was buried here on 5th July 1943.
I am not saying this is him as he could have been lost, days, weeks or months before and only interred on that date.

MOORE, CYRIL JAMES
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Old 10-06-2008, 07:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Stirling EF436 (AA-A)

Gardening (mining) Mission off Friesian Islands

T/O 23.45 from Mepal. Lost without trace. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

F/Sgt R Thomas RNZAF
Sgt A Lackenby
Sgt W E Stobbs
Sgt D A A A Taylor
Sgt J B McLoughlin
Sgt C J Moore RAAF
Sgt L O Lewington

Some have claimed that it was shotdown by Hpt Georg-Hermann Greiner of 11./NJG 1 but this doesn't fit with his claims sheet:

Aces of the Luftwaffe - Georg-Hermann Greiner

As to the Unknown Airman, it couldn't be Moore as he would have been lost on the morning of the 6th Aug. Even if his body did turn up and couldn't be identified it would have taken at least a day or two, because he would have been lost over the water.
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The Gardening area off the Frisian Islands was known as - Nectarine 1-2-3.
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No direct, indexed mention of the crew in Lambert's Night after Night - New Zealanders in Bomber Command.
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Aircraft from No. 60 Squadron levelling out for the "run in" to make a mast-head attack on a Japanese coaster off Akyab. Courtesy AWM.
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:21 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Stirling EF436 (AA-A)

Gardening (mining) Mission off Friesian Islands

T/O 23.45 from Mepal. Lost without trace. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

F/Sgt R Thomas RNZAF
Sgt A Lackenby
Sgt W E Stobbs
Sgt D A A A Taylor
Sgt J B McLoughlin
Sgt C J Moore RAAF
Sgt L O Lewington

Some have claimed that it was shotdown by Hpt Georg-Hermann Greiner of 11./NJG 1 but this doesn't fit with his claims sheet:

Aces of the Luftwaffe - Georg-Hermann Greiner

As to the Unknown Airman, it couldn't be Moore as he would have been lost on the morning of the 6th Aug. Even if his body did turn up and couldn't be identified it would have taken at least a day or two, because he would have been lost over the water.
The Australian chap I was speaking to who arranged a meeting with relatives of his cousins lost aircrew 60 years on had only one who was washed up and buried whereas the rest are on the Runnymede memorial. His cousin was the one washed up on the shore.

I may have a look at the Runnymede for a few days before and see what I come up with.

There were only three deaths from the 4th and they were all interred.

Thanks for the info Kyt!
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Old 10-06-2008, 11:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Runnymede listing of RAAF 21/06/1943 to 3/7/1943

Thought I would add the list of dates back a couple of weeks. (thank God for computers and spreadsheets.

CROXTON-DAVIS, ROBERT Flight Sergeant 412128 118sq RAF 21/06/1943

HEFFERNAN, ROBERT JARVIS Flying Officer 409544 460sq 22/06/1943

BROWN, LEO FREDERICK JOSEPH Pilot Officer 416018 156sq RAF 24/06/1943

HUDSON, RICHARD JULIAN Pilot Officer 403742 156sq RAF 24/06/1943

SAVAGE, JOHN RONALD Squadron Leader 402882 7sq RAF 25/06/1943

AIRY, ANDREW BASIL REGINALD Warrant Officer 406634 466sq 26/06/1943

MATTRESS, CHARLES ALFRED Warrant Officer 402531 166sq RAF 26/06/1943

NAILE, LESLIE JACK Flight Sergeant 415174 100sq RAF 26/06/1943

YOUNG, ALFRED MARKHAM Squadron Leader 36135 106sq RAF 26/06/1943

GATES, ROBERT INGERSOLE Flight Sergeant 415132 467sq 29/06/1943

COLLESS, GORDON SYDNEY Flight Sergeant 413826 466sq 30/06/1943

CONROY, BERNARD KEITH Flight Sergeant 420152 466sq 30/06/1943

DUNN, DOUGLAS ASHTON Flight Sergeant 413555 466sq 30/06/1943

GREGORY, ERIC OTHO Sergeant 401503 466sq 30/06/1943

EDWARDS, CLIFFORD Pilot Officer 411885 460sq 3/07/1943

FRAZER, LANCELOTT JAMES Flight Sergeant 420653 460sq 3/07/1943

SPIER, WALTER FRANK Flying Officer 421093 460sq 3/07/1943

TRUSCOTT, CYRIL FRANCIS JOSEPH Flight Sergeant 22378 460sq 3/07/1943


Theoretically it would not be Squadron Leader Young of 106sq as he was an Aussie in the RAF and would have been identified with his uniform however I have read that others were RAF and still wore the darker Aussie uniform.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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CROXTON-DAVIS, ROBERT Flight Sergeant 412128 118sq RAF 21/06/1943

Spitfire W3901 shotdown by flak from ships 11 km NW of Texel (which is part of the above islands)

HEFFERNAN, ROBERT JARVIS Flying Officer 409544 460sq 22/06/1943

Lancaster EE166 Crashed near Mulheim, near Essen

F/O L E Harrison RAAF
Sgt J S Callcut
Sgt W H Bartlett
P/O R J Heffernan RAAF
Sgt S K Browm
Sgt K A C Cotton
Sgt R J Lockrey RAAF
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While Heffernan is on Runnymede, Lockley & Harrison were interred at Reichswald Forest.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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His body may never have been found in the wreckage. His casualty file hasn't been digitised so I cannot check
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BROWN, LEO FREDERICK JOSEPH Pilot Officer 416018 156sq RAF 24/06/1943

Lancaster EE127 Mission to Wuppertal

T/O 23.13 from Warboys. Lost without trace. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

P/O L F J.Brown RAAF
Sgt I H Bradley
F/Sgt A V Newall
Sgt R F Worthington RCAF
Sgt J Malpass
Sgt R Gilbert
Sgt C Easton

HUDSON, RICHARD JULIAN Pilot Officer 403742 156sq RAF 24/06/1943

Lancaster ED858

T/O 2319 from Warboys. Crashed in the vicinity of Cologne, where burials are reported for 29th June 1943. Three have been subsequently re-interred in Rheinberg War Cemetery, the others are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

P/O R J Hudson RAAF
Sgt H Jones
Sgt R Brown
Sgt A T Barlow
Sgt W S Brooks
Sgt K Richards
Sgt K C C Adams
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