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Old 04-01-2008, 08:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Labour Force in Australia?

When taking headstone photos at Tocumwal cemetery (New South Wales) earlier this week, I came across these headstones.

Any ideas as to the terminology "Labour Force" except the obvious. They seem to have been given a rank and a number.

Was this similar in Britain?

Attachment 1170 Attachment 1171
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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Old 04-01-2008, 09:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have found some things myself as my search spelling was incorrect.

http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/awm108/011/011101.pdf

Ulrich Siegmund Laufer

RankPrivate [Pte]Service
NumberV510654
Unit8 EMP COY
ServiceArmy
Conflict1939-1945
Date of Death30 December 1943
Place of DeathAustralia
Cause of DeathAccidental (Drowning)

Max Schwarz

RankPrivate [Pte]
Service NumberV510653
Unit8 EMPLOY COY
ServiceArmy
Conflict1939-1945
Date of Death30 December 1943
Place of DeathAustralia
Cause of DeathAccidental (Drowning)

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My Avatar is the memorial to the 22 Commonwealth Coastwatchers at the Temakin Cemetery on Betio (Tarawa Atoll) who were beheaded by the Japanese on 15th October 1942. http://www.dva.gov.au/media/publicat...mem_beito.html

"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site:
http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm

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Old 04-01-2008, 11:41 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Interesting stuff, Spidge, and new to me. Could it be people who were waiting their call up? Just an idle thought that sprang to mind as my knowledge in this are is ashamedly negligible.

Refugees? Or even recent immigrants who weren't allowed to join up because of German (wild assumption on the surnames) lineage?

There would have been a few RAAF types at Tocumwal.
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Interesting stuff, Spidge, and new to me. Could it be people who were waiting their call up? Just an idle thought that sprang to mind as my knowledge in this are is ashamedly negligible.

Refugees? Or even recent immigrants who weren't allowed to join up because of German (wild assumption on the surnames) lineage?

There would have been a few RAAF types at Tocumwal.
This is the story of the Tocumwal Base.

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They are both listed in the Australian Roll of Honour.

Next of kin are both set out as relatives in New York.
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

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During the 1st World War a lot of Chinese came over as labour. They are acknowledged by the CWGC and have CWGC headstones. There are some very big cemeteries in France dedicated to these guys, St Sever for one has quite a number buried there, also Noyles has a huge memorial and cemetery dedicated to them. Most were used for re-building and unloading of supplies from ships and trains.
Must admit i haven't seen any WW2 labourers here in the UK.

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I have to admit that i still can't get a clear idea of whether they were officially military or civilian or militia.

Depending on that their British counterparts could the Pioneer Corps or one of the civilian labour organisations,

As to the CWGC the one group who I've felt have been unfairly excluded are the Bevin Boys who were assigned this job on call up. They could easily have ended up in the forces and thus deserve recognition for their casualties
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I have to admit that i still can't get a clear idea of whether they were officially military or civilian or militia.
Being designated with a rank (Private), number and CWGC burial, you would think they were army however I am sure we are no closer!
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"You were given the choice between war and dishonor.
You chose dishonor and you will have war."

(Winston Churchill made this prophetic pronouncement in a House of Commons speech in 1938, just after Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich agreement with Hitler. Chamberlain returned from Germany with the signed agreement in hand, proclaiming that "peace in our time" had been achieved. Churchill attacked Chamberlain's "politics of appeasement" in this and many other speeches.)

What did the Australians do in ww2 and other conflicts? Check out this site:
http://www.diggerhistory.info/00-pag...ster-index.htm
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