What Can Go Wrong When Firing Weapons

[Kyt]

The BBC's schools section has a number of short articles on war and military subjects. Most are pretty much aimed at the younger kids.

This one made made me laugh though:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A906734

It is loaded with hilarious understatement:

Let's get it straight from the start - a military weapon is for killing things. Some use it for putting holes in pieces of canvas or plywood, but these can represent living things. The good thing about putting holes in pieces of canvas or plywood, whatever they are meant to represent, is that nothing is actually killed.

Rifles - Bolt-Action

Older bolt-action rifles have two outcomes when fired. In the first, a bullet is fired out of one end of the barrel, the end facing away from the firer (usually). This bullet is the object that puts holes in pieces of canvas or plywood. In the second, firing a gun can result in the possible dislocation of the firer's shoulder, which is where the butt is placed before firing. This is called recoil. Many people still enjoy firing guns despite this hazard.

Rifles - Self-loading

Self-loading rifles, on the other hand, are claimed not to have recoil. This is because bits inside hurtle up and down when they are fired and apparently cancel out recoil and replace it with another backward motion called 'whip'.

Many people cannot tell the difference between whip and recoil. Due to a design error or oversight, the British SLR (self-loading rifle L1A1) had a backsight which had a tendency to destroy spectacles if worn by the firer. This had the immediate effect of stopping the shooting. Behind the backsight of the German G3 rifle is a lump of plastic which is part of the butt - the part the cheek is laid on. When firing the more powerful British ammunition this lump of plastic could rear up and strike the cheek, bruising it.

The Rifle L85 (SA 80) - it has to be said - has a rather disconcerting habit of shedding parts when fired. These can range from ejection covers to foresights. Sometimes the magazine even drops off! This is not a good experience when using the L85 in action.

Another hazard with the SLR, and common to many self-loading and automatic rifles, is the ejection of the fired cartridge case. This can end up striking the firer to the right; while they are concentrating on hitting the target in front, the sudden appearance of flying brass often affects their shooting, too.

Pistols

The self-loading (automatic) pistol also has whip. In addition, if the free hand is placed over the one gripping the pistol to reduce the effects of whip, the operation of the slide (the bit that goes backwards very quickly) tends to take the skin off the knuckles (and the knuckle, too, if close enough). Even with this support, it is often difficult to hit a target at 15 metres, which makes the whole exercise rather pointless.

Some revolvers are chambered for magnum ammunition (very powerful) but do not have the shape required to hold the pistol easily. One example of this is a pistol based on the Colt Peacemaker, which has a nice, rounded pistol grip. When fired with .44 Magnum, this pistol develops a life of its own and turns in the hand on recoil. This is upsetting for the firer, for anyone within one metre, and for anyone else who can see what is happening.

Sub-machine Guns

Known to all soldiers as being as dangerous to the firer and comrades as to the enemy. Heads have to be screwed on to use the thing effectively without causing casualties to friendly forces. In the British Army all SMG practice was with the selector set at R (rounds or repetition) which means one round every time the trigger is pressed. The main problem in firing these things is that most fire from an open bolt. This means that there is a time lag between firing (releasing the working parts) and firing (bang). This is usually just enough time for the firer to wonder what is happening and move from the point of aim. This means the bullet misses. In addition, there is a lot of weight moving a considerable distance down a light weapon: result - movement from the point of aim - miss.

After all this there is always the possibility that the firer does not select R which leaves S = safe (trigger locked, red face), or A = Automatic (ratatatatatat, white face). This does not inspire confidence in those around the firer.

Light Machine Guns

One of the few weapons not to have whip or recoil is the light machine gun. This is never really light in weight, nor does it have a torch attached. The effect of firing the gun is quite pleasant, given the volume of copper-coated lead released down range. It is just that it always has to be carried many miles before being fired, which rather takes the shine off the proceedings - and the lengthy (read: interminable) cleaning process that always follows firing and causes blackened hands for a week. This cleaning is supposed to be a group activity but the usual outcome is that the gunner is left cleaning the beast while everyone else dashes out for a mug of tea.

The Bren Gun (Light Machine Gun L4A4) could also deposit very hot cartridge cases down the open sleeve of the shooting hand as it held the pistol grip. Nothing would be noticed until the gun was lowered and the hot cases came in contact with the skin. Ever tried to tip hot cases out of a sleeve when lying prone on the ground? Not very easily done. Some of the old ones had a nasty habit of firing as soon as you cocked them and sent the best part of a 28 round magazine down range before stopping.

There are three groups of people who fire military weapons. First are those whose job it is to fire them at other people (infantry, police), second are those who may at some time have to use them on other people (support troops, police) and finally those who just enjoy firing them (rifle clubs, police). Some are trained to a high standard of marksmanship and others don't give a damn whether they hit the target or not because they just like firing military weapons. In the UK, you can't own a self-loading rifle or any pistol and certainly no automatic weapons, so you're very limited in what you can shoot. Whether you are a wimp or a hero, if you have ever shot a military firearm, you will know something about these less well known hazards of firing weapons.

[Antipodean Andy]

Duhhhhhhh, what's a gun?

[Kyt]

The Molotov cocktail one is just as funny:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A583580

Actually, it is not a bomb as such, as a bomb requires an explosion, and combustion is not quick enough to cause an explosion. Come to that, it doesn't have to contain petrol either, so it should be more accurately referred to as an 'inflammable liquid incendiary device'. That doesn't roll off the tongue quite so easily, though...

[Antipodean Andy]

Ah yes, the ILID.

Surely, they're having a laugh?

[Kyt]

Originally Posted by Andy in West Oz

Surely, they're having a laugh?

Somewhat. The BBC subscribes to the "teaching should be fun and funny" theory. Still, amusing for adults.

[sniper]

My daughter has just passed her Skill At Arms test with the ATC and i was with her right throught the training. It was very intensified and very strict on the passing of the exam. She passed with a grade of skilled which was the top mark. Though at the moment she is only able to fire the bolt action .22.
Some of the remarks on what i read were certainly not true, the SLR was i think probably the best weapon the British Army ever had. The SMG was effective if fired at close range which is what it was designed for, anything over 25metres you may as well throw the weapon at the enemy, which is the same as the Browning 9mm pistol. The Bren Gun is an awesome light machine gun and in the hands of a really good trained team would make the difference in a fire fight. The GPMG is i consider the finest light machine gun ever produced and when on the tripod it was too accurate. The Lee Enfield .303 was also one of the most accurate weapons i have ever fired, though it has a slower rate of fire because of it being bolt action.
Mike (Sniper)

[Kyt]

Congratulations to your daughter, Mike.

I agree with your comments about the various weapons. To be fair to the BBC, they do have individual pages on some of the weapons, and they do point out the good points. I think this is just a light-hearted attempt at keeping students' interest (and the articles are submitted by BBC readers rather than educationalists, after being vetted).

[sniper]

Originally Posted by Kyt

Congratulations to your daughter, Mike.

I agree with your comments about the various weapons. To be fair to the BBC, they do have individual pages on some of the weapons, and they do point out the good points. I think this is just a light-hearted attempt at keeping students' interest (and the articles are submitted by BBC readers rather than educationalists, after being vetted).

Thanks for the congrats to my daughter, she's heading out on her first camp tomorrow, down to Penhale in Cronwall. She'll be shooting on the range and if she's anything like her old man she'll come home with a marksman badge to go with the 1st Class she got yesterday.

I could see the light hearted view in what they were saying but some of it was certainly unfounded, especially about the bren gun. Can't say i knew of anyone who fired it with open cuffs and if they did, then serves them right they deserved to have a hot empty cartridge burn them. Sorry if you think i have got upset about this but the weapons i have fired so far which includes all of those mentioned are a lot better than what was said about them.

Okay i'm off my soap box now.

Take care all
Mike (Sniper)

[spidge]

My dad was a Bren Gunner, so I could imagine his reaction. Too accurate yes, but what was aimed at was hit and stayed hit. Not too many enemy put their heads up if there was good gunner pulling the trigger.

[Kitty]

Awww man! Can I have a go pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?!