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Old 10-04-2008, 05:01 AM   #11 (permalink)
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P51 Mustang Info

Empty Weight: 7000 lbs (3175 kg)
Gross Weight: 9200 lbs (4173 kg)
Max Weight: 12100 lbs (5487 kg)
What could it have been....a Thunderbolt? 17,500lbs?
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:18 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I imagine so, Spidgeman, Jugs were heavy...heaviest single engined fighter in the USAAF.

From the same site in the interests of consistency. P-61 and P-70 would have been heavier of course but they had an extra engine!

Empty Weight: 11,000 lbs (4990 kg)
Max Weight: 20,700 lbs (9389 kg)
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Aircraft from No. 60 Squadron levelling out for the "run in" to make a mast-head attack on a Japanese coaster off Akyab. Courtesy AWM.
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So how do you rank that against the Corsair?

For years I thought Papa Boyington's boys flew P51 Mustangs.
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For a bloody big aircraft, the Corsair is quite the lightweight. Same website used again:

Empty Weight: 9205 lbs (4174 kg)
Gross Weight: 14669 lbs (6653 kg)

The Typhoon was probably up there for being the heaviest British designed single-engined fighter type aircraft used by the RAF but is still, if we can use these figures as a rough guide since they're not all from the same source, lighter than the Mustang if flown without underwing ordnance!

Hawker Typhoon - fighter

Take-off weight 5170 kg 11398 lb
Empty weight 3992 kg 8801 lb

The Hawker Typhoon and Tempest - Great Britain

Without its underwing load the Typhoon IB weighed 11,300 lbs., and with two 500-lb. bombs and the necessary racks, 12,400 lbs.

The Hawker Tempest Page

The Mk I Tempest was, of course, lighter, but the Mk V appears to have been the same weight as a Tiffy despite its much thinner wing:

Weight (empty): 9,000lb
Weight (loaded):11,400lb
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Not mentioned in a lot of the blurb on the "Cadillac of the skies" was the fact that a number of them fell apart in the air pulling out of dives and in very tight turns when a wheel door crept open and the landing gear (sorry, "undercarriage" - this is the UK) came out, resulting in the machine disintegrating in the air.
On some of the F.14s (Accident Reports) for P-51 crashes in this region in 1944-45, one of the first things the investigating officers did if there was any suggestion of a mid-air break-up was to check the area of the wheel doors.

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Interesting that they would do this, BC1. I've seen many pics of Mustangs on the ground with the doors bleeding down due to lack of hydraulic pressure with the engine stopped. Sounds like the mechanism itself could only withstand so much based on the F.14s you've analysed.

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